It seems that flat-earth believers deny the existence of satellites, which means all global navigation system satellites (GNSS) including the American GPS satellites (at 20,000 km altitude), all geostationary satellites (at 35,000 km altitude) and all low earth orbit TV transmitting satellites (around 300 km altitude). The elephant not in the kitchen but in space is the largest of satellites, the International Space Station (ISS), the largest man-made structure in space. It orbits at an altitude of about 400 km, which is well outside of the atmosphere.
The ISS can be seen from the earth’s surface with the naked eye, when it passes overhead on a 90 minute circumnavigation of the planet, travelling much faster than stars move. It looks like a fast-moving plane only much higher and traveling thousands of kilometers an hour faster. When it comes into view in your area it is best viewed within two hours of sunset or sunrise. Because of the very large solar panels, used to power the spacecraft, sunlight can reflect off those in your direction.
In this video we can see the earth rise from the moon. It was taken about 10 years ago by the Japanese space agency JAXA (not NASA) from their lunar orbiter SELENE. The spacecraft orbited the moon for about a year before it was deliberately crashed in to the moon surface.
There are people who believe that the Earth is a flat disk and not a sphere. It is incredible I know. Apart from interpreting certain scriptures to support their claim it would seem that they have to also claim that all space agencies have faked all images of the earth since man’s quest into space began.
So they claim that this spacecraft could not have observed the spherical planet from the moon because no such craft ever left the planet. But the Japanese did send a spacecraft as have other nations. This one shows beautifully the jewel among the stars and it doesn’t look flat to me.
6/2/2020Comment from a flat-earther: Haha you’re all comedians, but can’t see the reality that it is a fake video or believe that NASA could lie! Think about it. Where is the sun’s position, how bright should the moon be but isn’t, and seeing the earth seems to be in full light why is the background dark? When we are in day, the sky is blue. Perhaps someone has an answer.
My response: Number one, this video was not produced by NASA but by JAXA the Japanese space agency. I have had interactions with scientist colleagues from JAXA and find them to be a reputable organisation.
Number two: There is no atmosphere on the moon. Thus there are no molecules to scatter sunlight. You learn that in high-school. Hence the sky is black. On earth we see a blue sky because of scattered sunlight. Blue light (shorter wavelengths than red light) is scattered in all directions by the molecules of air in Earth’s atmosphere. Blue is scattered more than other colours because of its shorter wavelengths. As a result when we look at the sky we preferentially see the blue light component of sunlight which contains all the colours of the spectrum.
Then the automatic gain control on the camera on board the spacecraft reduces the aperture of the camera because of the high albedo of the moon. High albedo means high reflectivity. The moon reflects a little more than 10% of the sunlight hitting its surface. The moon’s surface has about 1/3rd the albedo of the earth’s surface. The reduction of the camera aperture means less light entering the camera so not to saturate the CCD module. Hence the moon surface does not look so bright, and note stars are not so easily seen in the black sky because the camera aperture is reduced.
God talking to Job: Where were you when I made the foundations of the earth? Declare if you have understanding. Who has the laid measures thereof if thou knowest or who has stretched the line upon it? (not around it). Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened (how can the foundations be fastened on a spinning ball?). or who laid the cornerstone thereof.
This is God talking to Job. God’s words and not man.
Firstly, I do not consider one passage of scripture of more or less authority than another. It is all God’s Words. In the book of Job when Job is speaking about what God has done, He is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That is the only reason he knows anything (e.g. Job 26:7).
All scripture, not some scripture, is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God [literally means God breathed from the Greek original text], and is profitable for doctrine [teaching], for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
Also God is sovereign and He promised to preserve His Words so that none will ever be corrupted or lost.
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried [refined] in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 You shalt keep them [His words], O LORD, You shall preserve them from this generation for ever.
Psalm 12:6-7, KJVER
Looking at Job 38:4-6: (KJVER)
4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if you have understanding.
5 Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? or who has stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
There is also Job 38:18 talking about the breadth of the earth (how big it is).
Have you perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if you know it all.
I recently have had discussion with a few people on the claim by some (Bible believing Christians included) that the Earth is geologically flat. This is referred to as the Flat Earth (FE) claim. Yeah, I know it is very bizarre. One people even asked if this is a real thing. It is unfortunately true. But several of it proponents are atheist anti-Christians. So it is strange that that there are Bible believing Christians believe their rambling nonsense.
One of the arguments is that no one has ever seen the curvature of the spherical earth.
FEers argue that nothing NASA has shown can be trusted. They say that NASA uses green screens, Photoshop and all sorts of tricks to hide the alleged fact that the earth is a disk and not a sphere.
This video shows Earth from space from SpaceX spacecraft used to launch a stack of 60 Starlink satellites. SpaceX is a private company with Elon Musk as CEO. The launch occurred on January 29 at 9:06 a.m. EST (USA), or 14:06 UTC. You can clearly see the curvature of the earth.
He stretches out the north over the empty place [תּוֹהוּ tohuw, nothing], and hangs the earth upon nothing. (KJVER)
We are told two things. One is that the Lord stretched the north over an empty place and the second is that He hung the earth upon nothing.
From astronomy we know that the planet is hung on nothing. It is freely orbiting around the sun. In the gravitational field of the sun it is actually falling towards the sun but because of its speed it moves in a stable orbit. But nothing holds it up, because there is no up or down in space.
The direction we give to the north or south are convenient terms, but north is not any more important than south. What is truly amazing though is the fact that the Scriptures have such a statement, when more than 3,000 years ago, around the time the book of Job was written, the ‘science’ of the day (actually myths in Hindu culture) taught the earth was held on the back of four giant male elephants who stood on the back of a giant female turtle. That is probably where they get their elephant god from. And then there is in the ancient Greek mythology, Atlas, a giant Titan god, who held the earth on his back. But the Bible does not describe a fanciful myth but describes what we know to be true.