The Australian Christian Lobby is ostensibly a “Christian” organisation that lobbies parliaments in all states in Australia. The claim is that they are totally against abortion. I have read their position statement on that and it is commendable. It would seem that they are against abortion from conception and at any age of gestation. BUT in practice it is another thing.
Below is the text taken from a blog post on their website written by WA state director Peter Abetz. Read it and tell me in the Comments what you think of this. I’ll comment further below.
WA: Abortion laws to change…for the worse
June 13, 2023
In November 2022 the McGowan Government announced that it was moving to modernise WA’s abortion laws.
Public submissions were called for. ACL provided a detailed and well-researched submission. The Health Department had an online survey that required multiple-choice type responses, which did not allow for any views other than maintaining the current law or liberalising it.
On Saturday, the 10th of June, the Minister for Health, the Hon Amber-Jade Sanderson announced the outcome of their review, claiming widespread public support for the proposed measures, which will effectively allow abortion to birth. She seemed unaware that various public opinion polls over a number of years have shown that around 60% of Australians do not support abortion post-13 weeks.
Abortions will be allowed up to 24 weeks (up from 20) with just one doctor agreeing (which can be the abortionist). Post 24 weeks, all that is required is for a second doctor to agree that the abortion is medically justified.
While most parties on issues like abortion give their MPs a conscience vote, given the makeup of the WA parliament, the government’s legislation is guaranteed to pass.
In the next week, we will be providing dot points for you to write to your MPs calling for the legislation to include:
- A ban on gender selection abortions
- Ending the abortion of babies simply for being suspected of having Down Syndrome
- Upholding the right of conscientious objection by doctors and staff.
- To require Health Dept brochures and web pages providing information about abortion, also to be obligated to provide information about agencies that can assist women emotionally and financially to keep their babies.
- Mandatory pain relief for babies aborted post-13 weeks.
- That any baby born alive following a late-term abortion procedure must be provided with the same medical attention that would be provided to a wanted baby born prematurely.
So, stay tuned for an email to assist you in writing your email. In the meantime, if you have not yet signed the parliamentary e-petition calling for an end to discrimination against unborn babies suspected of having Down Syndrome, please do so now and invite your friends and family to do likewise. The link: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Parliament/LCePetitions.nsf/($All)/4730C29869C8D8E24825899E000822C2?opendocument
Ok, so he says the submissions were not permitted “other than maintaining the current law or liberalising it.” But if ACL is really Christian why do they partake in this sham consultative process? Why don’t they write to the politicians telling them that abortion is an abomination to God and real Christians do not put up with this murder of the innocent?
Why don’t they tell their supporters to write to their MPs to vote against abortion period? Well, no that would be too easy.
You have to understand that abortion is an important plank in the elites global depopulation agenda. The COVID bioweapon shots were another plank — a big one at that. But abortion is being pushed to full term in every juristiction.
In California they are pushing for abortion up to 28 days after birth. Infanticide! Once that comes in the nation will fall.
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalm 9:17
In every state of Australia that now has murder (abortion) of the unborn up to full term, the ACL tried the same tactics, to get amendments in, but in every case they stopped nothing. Full term murder was enacted into law.
Even worse! I now know from personal conversations that because of the support ACL gave to abortion up to 28 weeks in South Australia (SA) that some Christians there are now accepting abortion and even having them.
ACL SA state director Christopher Brohier wrote in an email dated March 22, 2021
“ACL is opposed to abortion. In the current parliamentary and community climate our best chance of defeating abortion to birth was to argue for retention of the current law. That is what we did.” [my emphasis added]
“The current position under SA law should not be changed,
namely that after a child is capable of being born alive, abortion is
only allowed if it is to preserve the life of the mother. Babies of 23-
24 weeks’ gestation are now viable. There is no reason why such a
child should not be able to live.” [my emphasis added]
Brohier says, listen or better still, read the YouTube transcript, at 9:25:
“… in this debate we are not opposing the creation of this new act the removal of offences in relation to a woman obtaining abortion but we are saying that only medical practitioners should be allowed to provide abortions”
Let that sink in!!!! … and a “Christian” leader saying this publicly!!!
In SA the ACL supported an ePetition amongst the churches that was accepting of abortion but as long as it was done by qualified doctors.
I don’t know about any petition like that in Western Australia but there is a linked ePetition to WA parliament where it is stated that
“… last year alone there were 8,551 abortions in our State, including 76 at a late-stage of pregnancy and 71 “justified” because the unborn child was suspected of having Down syndrome;”
Soon ACL we will be providing dot points for West Australians to write to their MPs but nowhere in the list above are they suggesting that the electors write how disgusted they are with any abortion law. Nowhere does ACL state director Peter Abetz recommend that sort of action, or asking electors to tell their MPs to vote against all abortion laws, even to repeal the existing law.
NO, he doesn’t. But instead suggests they write to their MPs arguing for non-discrimination against Down syndrome babies and gender. How insane is that. Murder the babies by all means but don’t discriminate. That would be fair, no discrimination in this “inclusive” and “equity” environment run out of the WHO and WEF. Can’t be discriminating against any in the womb, no way!
A couple of weeks ago I asked Peter Abetz to stand for the truth and veracity of God’s Word and resist abortion at every level. Don’t pander to the politicians. (BTW he voted for the antichrist, antihuman section 158 of the 2016 Western Australian Public Health Act (no warrants, remove underwear, forced vaccinations), and he has not apologised.)
Peter Abetz personally told me because I don’t know politics that is why I achieve nothing. And he called me a fool three times. I am thankful I don’t know politics because it is only compromise with evil. I am a fool for Christ sake (1 Corinthians 4:10).
We are warned in the scriptures not to call anyone a fool, especially a brother in the Lord,
… whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca [meaning: O empty one, i.e. you’re worthless], shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:22
You should never call a believer in Jesus Christ a fool because….
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
Psalm 14:1,
Well, Mr Abetz needs to deal with his own conscience. He can’t debate the issue because he is implementing in WA the same tactics ACL used in other states, all to no avail. But please pass the word. Stop any support o ACL. They are utterly compromised and don’t, in practice, stand for the Lord’s standard. This means in practice ACL supports full term abortion.
If you live in the state of Western Australia I recommend you write your MPs protesting against the murder of the most vulnerable, the unborn. Tell your church friends and pastors about this.
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23 responses to “Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) Supports Full Term Abortion”
Thanks Gideon and hi to all, thanks Gideon for your right and spirited communication in this matter of abortion, the dead legalizers/Politian’s who legalize the murder of the unborn and the born alike. The body and the breathing soul of a breathing creature as mankind was called and determined by the Creator God. The legalizers, for the slaughter of human babies breathing creatures in the image of God, slaughtered through a medical procedure, the invasion of the right to life by the wrong action accomplished by the butchery of those doctors of abortion.
The comments and opinions of Jade-amber Sanderson have no real weight just political hot air rising up from the pit of hell from whence it came, just the same hot air that arose during the lying Pandemic, can a political leopard change its spots.
Claiming widespread public support, has anyone seen that public support, has the McGowan government been transparent about anything, this McGowan government has continually hindered the facts and the data concerning the private multiple agendas and legislation that it has set in place.
There is no public scrutiny there is not transparency either, just political hot air. The devil is declared by God from the beginning to be the father of murder and lies and the government in WA over decades are perpetrating the same things, they can be said to be the children of Satan because they do the same works of the devil. The legalizers/Politian’s, wash the bloody legalizing hands, and hand the baton of death to the arbitrary directors of life and death the doctors and medical staffers.
Who have become the social and moral source of decision making without the ability of moral conscience, and the doctors wear the abattoir garments as they slay the life of children under their meat knifes and abortion technics. We find two doctors in a unity over a lunch or a phone call to determine the life or death of a child, a breathing creature a body and a living breathing soul eternal in nature in the same image of Almighty God. The blood is up to the bridle of the McGowan government, they are all ministers of death, the passing of the euthanasia bill how proud they all were, abortion without limit, and the continuing deaths and the blood shed of the severe injuries of the Plan-demic bullshit W.H.O and W.E.F covid-19 private world agenda 2021. The blood stains will always be on their hands unless they repent.
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This is so disturbing and shocking about Australia Christian Lobby. In fact, it is evil. As your article highlights, on one hand, they set up a con on their ACL website, telling supporters that they are the courageous guys, defending unborn babies. But in truth, this is all smoke and mirrors, grandstanding. ACL have sold out. Their leaders are merely going about like filthy rats, doing deals with the government over the lives of these babies. They would know full well, too, that any pathetic amendments won’t last long anyway. As you point out, Gideon, why not stay strong and simply say, “No, to all abortions!” “That all killing of unborn babies are wrong!” Full stop. Surely, as professing Christians, we are called, foremost, to be faithful to God and His Word. Not lamely compromised. Shame on ACL!!!
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Imagine three terrorists storm into your church armed with machine guns and they threaten to kill everyone if a ransom of $10m is not paid within 24 hours. The church can not meet that demand.
The pastor manages to persuade the terrorists to let the women and the children to leave.
According to John’s flawed logic, by doing that, the pastor is guilty of supporting the killing of the men.
John’s dishonest assertion that ACL supports abortion in any form is to bear false witness.
Also, John’s assertion that ACL efforts in South Australia achieved nothing is absolutely and demonstrably false:
The amendments that ACL lobbying brought about included:
1. Care for babies born alive
2. Compulsory counselling
3. Need for practitioners to adhere to RANZCOG guidelines
4. Ability for institutions (eg: Calvary) to conscientiously object to performing abortions.
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Peter,
Then why don’t you advise your readers to object to abortion, to write their MPs to object to any abortion at all at any stage of gestation?
Your terrorist analogy is flawed logic. To make it a correct parallel you would need to say that the terrorist activity of shooting the males is already lawful according to the local laws. So it is disingenuous to use it as a similar argument. But even if it was lawful the pastor would be guilty of murder in God’s eyes. Of course he should negotiate for the release of the women and children but using an impossible choice paradox make an argument on the state of abortion is also flawed logic. One would think that the pastor of the church would do all he could to save the whole congregation. But he should never make the impossible choice. Leave it to the Lord. This is the case with murder of the unborn. Stand for the truth of scripture. Don’t make deals with the devil.
And in SA, what was the outcome? Full term abortion. The ACL achieved an amendment to the Act but still babies are murdered up to full term. In this state you want to ensure that Down’s or gender is not used to discriminate on the murder of babies. That seems fair eh? It is nothing if you still get full term abortion. Besides most abortions occur in the first two trimesters. So by agreeing to abortion laws what have you achieved?
I have not deleted your comment on this blog. Why did you delete my comment on your blog? https://www.acl.org.au/blog/wa-abortion-laws-to-change-for-the-worse/
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Anyone and everyone has had the opportunity to write to WA MPs since 1998 that the law allowing abortion on demand is evil. For 25 years some people have done that. I used to get those letters too when I was an MP – one written to all MPs saying we were all going to hell because we had not stopped the evil of abortion in our land, signed by someone as Gideon! What change did all those letters bring about? Zero change. Why? Because most MPs don’t acknowledge the authority of Scripture. They have no interest in what Scripture says. Until they are converted, they will have no interest in what the Bible says. It is a bit like when I was in parliament, if some constituent came to me and implored me to do something because Karl Marx wrote that it would be a good thing to do, I would have taken no notice of that.
So if we want change we have to do two things:
1. seek to have Christians elected to our parliaments till such time that the abortion law can be repealed. (Sadly, not likely to occur in the short term with the shrinking number of people in our nation who profess Christ).
2. In the mean time, persuade the MPs who don’t share our view of the world, to make changes. By telling them the Bible says abortion is evil is like water off a ducks back. The don’t care what the Bible says. The objective of lobbying is to bring about change to legislation, so we need to speak in a language that they understand.
When a piece of legislation comes before parliament it can be defeated, passed or it can be amended and passed. You have to address the legislation that is before parliament. The make up of the parliament is such that the ‘modernised’ abortion legislation being proposed is guaranteed to pass. So the best we can do is to support the pro life MPs who will move amendments by lobbying the non Christian MPs who have a very different world view, and put the case to them in language and with reasons that will connect with them, and so have some hope of persuading them to support those amendments which will at least save a few lives.
Your approach John would save absolutely no lives. If you write to MPs when they are considering this legislation and say ‘ I don’t want any abortions to be allowed,’ they will correctly say that this is not a proposal that is before parliament. It would be as useful as writing to the MPs and saying that you think the Govt should never have built the Stadium. The fact is it is there. Abortion was legalised in 1998. That legislation is in place. Has been for 25 years. There is no legislation before parliament to undo that. Instead we are faced with legislation that wants to make late term abortions easier to get (abortion to birth). Anything God’s people can do to reduce the number of abortions taking place, is worth doing. Every life saved is a big win for that little baby! That is what ACL achieved in South Australia in 2021 (see my earlier Comment for details).
ACL also ran a publicity campaign at the last SA State election, exposing the MPs in marginal seats who had failed to support the amendments we wanted. We said to the Labor party, that if they put up pro life candidates against the three Liberals who failed to support the amendments, we would use our resources to inform the public of the way those three Liberals voted. The Labor Party put up pro life candidates and the three Liberals lost their seats. (In marginal seats you often only need to swing a few hundred voters the other way for the incumbent to lose their seat). The fourth one we exposed was a Labor candidate, who just managed to retain his seat.
So contrary to your claims John, ACL has made a difference in SA. It is a small difference, but it is a difference that will save few lives.
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Your comment really comes across like a politician, NOT like Jesus Christ. Can’t you see that a stand for the truth coupled with trusting the Lord Jesus Christ for the outcome is the John 14:6 way that Jesus taught us?
Those who are making a difference in SA are those who intercept would-be aborters (murderers) of their own babies, sometime pay all expenses, medical and otherwise, to have their babies, not murder them, and even support them for awhile after delivery. Trevor, who commented here, with is lovely wife, are such saints of God. They are making a real difference.
“13 For You formed my inward parts;
You knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are Your works;
my soul knows it very well.” Psalms 139:13-14
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Peter,
YES!!!, ACL supports abortion. And we could go one step further, and be more precise, by saying ACL believes murdering unborn babies to be indispensable. Which may lead many to conclude ACL view abortion as being “good”!
ACL have said this much in emails. Public forums. In articles. In a petition. And in person. When you say you want to “retain” something, again, and again, the point is surely made.
And when you say that something is “essential”, or similar, like it is “healthcare”, this means (and please!!! don’t make us out to be idiots) by its very definition that you not only support, hold to, go along with, want to keep, but you believe it is even necessary, fundamental, indispensable. This can then be equated that you believe that it is somehow “good”.
With regards to the unborn babies, ACL, uneqivocally, wanted all of its lobbyists in SA to go along with their insane idea that killing babies was acceptable up to 28 weeks in the womb. They wanted us to retain our current [then] abortion laws of up to 28 weeks. Saying it was “essential”.
Peter, you failed to read John’s above article properly, or in full. For example, read the petition again: (and I quote):
“A woman deserves best practice health care and this can only be provided by a qualified doctor in relation to abortion procedures. She should also have adequate medical supervision when taking abortion pills given the high rate of complications associated with this.
The safeguards and protections of the current SA Abortion laws are essential and the gestational limit of 28 weeks provides ample time for detection of fetal abnormalities.”
Australian Christian Lobby should be honest, and remove the word ‘Christian’ from their name.
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John, well done for brnging this to the light!
Peter, I know lots of people pleaded with former ACL Director Martyn Iles and SA ACL Rep Christopher Brohier, not to use this “strategy” but they wouldn’t listen. Which is contrary to being the “salt and light” to the world, as Christ commanded His followers. (Matt 5:13-15)
Academic John Fleming was highly critical of ACL Christopher Brohier and others for their wheeling-and-dealing and ultimate betrayal of the babies. Here is Fleming’s conclusion in his article: The Slaughter of The South Australian Innocents http://www.thefreedomsproject.com/item/626-the-slaughter-of-the-south-australian-innocents
“The South Australian Parliament rendered unborn children invisible as far as human rights are concerned. The defence of their fundamental right to live (the sine qua non of all other rights) was muted. Those opposing this wicked legislation tripped themselves up with a tactic, in agreement with that of the Christian lobby under the direction of Chris Brohier, which crippled their opposition from the get-go. In accepting the framing of the legislation provided by the heartless promoters of the Chapman Bill, they downplayed the gravity of the issues at stake and not surprising lost.”
“… The weakness and political ineptitude of the opposition to the Bill are best exemplified by the reported comments of David Speirs MP: Mr Speirs said while he always supported decriminalising abortion, there were aspects of the bill he did not support. “There were some changes and not all the changes that I wanted got up,” Mr Speirs told ABC Radio Adelaide. “What we saw last night in my view was a historic step forward in terms of moving abortion from the criminal code to the health code. I think that’s a great thing for women.”
“But it was a lousy deal for unborn children, a deal agreed to by opponents and proponents of the Chapman Bill.”
Let Fleming’s final line sink in, “… it was a lousy deal for unborn children, a deal agreed to by opponents [such as Liberal’s opposition leader David Spiers, ACL Christopher Brohier and others] and proponents of the Chapman Bill.”
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Peter,
John is not the only one who thinks that Australian Christian Lobby is pro-abortion.
Because after ACL lobbied around our state for a good 2 years to keep the current abortion laws, many church attendees, and other Christians, and even non-Christians, and MPs, have come to the same conclusion.
For example:
Here is part of a parliamentary speech made by one MP, Independent Geoff Brock, who was influenced by ACL: “I have no issues with the current [abortion] legislation—even the church and other organisations I confer with say it has been working very well—but let’s take it out of the criminal section and put it under health.” Hansard – parliamentary archives https://hansardsearch.parliament.sa.gov.au/daily/lh/2021-02-16/46
The “… and other organsiations I confer with say it [abortion laws] has been working very well …” which Mr Brock refers to, is no doubt his discussions with ACL’s Christopher Brohier.
Why do I say this? Because ACL’s Christopher Brohier says as much in an article he wrote, where he said: “The many meetings [I had] throughout the state have yielded real fruit in that Geoff Brock the member for Frome …” http://www.acl.org.au/blog_sa_sadnessandjoy
And the “fruit” that Mr Brohier praises is that MP Brock didn’t vote for abortion up-to-birth bill. Never mind that Mr Brock was in favour for the killing of the other 97% of unborn babies, and that he saw this killing as now merely “healthcare”.
Truth is, ACL’s strategy was, and is, a disastrous strategy. Because the “real fruit” that Mr Brohier gloats over, is that its effects will be with us for a long time.
I could cite other examples of this, but here are just two; one, regarding a Christian midwife, and another, the comment by a well-known pro-abortion journalist who viewed ACL’s “messaging” as pro-abortion:
1. My wife and I personally know one young Christian midwife, who was staunchly opposed to all abortions, but due to ACL’s influence on her and her church (which included the pushing of the petition; cited in John’s post), she started giving out RU486 abortion pills. She now fully regrets what she did, but lives with the guilt of it, and has left midwifery.
2. In 2020, when the aggressively ardent pro-choice journalist, Tory Shepherd, was told that ACL was behind the petition (as cited in John’s article), she emailed me, saying, referring to the petition, (and I quote): “That is very interesting, also looks quite similar to messaging from those who want the law to go through.”
What to expect from ACL, when an abortion bill that they have been lobbying against, gets passed?
ACL will then spin several poorly worded articles and emails to their supporters, with their usual: “Sad but we still had a win” line. (See their typical ‘Sadness and Joy’ article. http://www.acl.org.au/blog_sa_sadnessandjoy )
This always include: “we achieved amendments”. Which is purely scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel (that they are proned to get splinters under their nails) or plain delusional.
Plus, the other – wait for it (drum roll): “we have courageous pro-life MPs we need to thank”. Which is so fanciful, because ACL won’t tell you these pro-life heroes, are actually … not really pro-life at all. I kid you not! Some of them, like our SA Labor MP Tom Koutsantonis and Liberal David Spiers and Independent Geoff Brock (who I mentioned earlier), etc, see abortion as a good thing. Whilst they can’t stomach the butchery in the final stages of a woman’s pregnancy, they are still happy enough to call abortion “healthcare”. (When has taking a human life ever been considered as healthcare!?!)
The audacity of equating ACL and William Wilberforce!
Every so often, one hears from ACL supporters that lobbying “tactics” is similar to that used by slave abolitionist “William Wilberforce”. That is, that Wilberforce used incremental methods to help abolish the slave trade, and this is what ACL are doing.
True, Wilberforce used incrementalism, but never contrary to God’s Word. In his writings he said he would never present a bill to parliament against slavery, or any other bill for that matter, contrary to the Word of God.
And regarding slavery. Wilberforce stated publicly, slavery was an abominable evil, and he would remind his opponents of this regularly throughout his life.
Would ACL dare say publicly that abortion was an abominable evil?
And this is the crucial point: ACL’s methods and approach are not only cowardly but a direct affront to God.
Scripture clearly tells us that we are all made in His image (Genesis 1:27). It clearly tells us not to murder or part-take in the shedding of innocent blood (Jeremiah 22:3; Exodus 20:13). It clearly tells us to protect the vulnerable, especially the orphans – which includes the unborn babies (James 1:27; Proverbs 24:11-12).
The petition ACL promoted, by itself, violated every one of these God given commands. And so did ACL’s whole campaign in South Australia. But ACL refused to listen to those who warned them about this. Instead of discussion they “cancelled” them, labelling them, including myself, as being “divisive”, “a trouble maker”, “extremists’ or similar.
And now ACL, and even you, Peter, acting on their behalf, are doing the same thing again in WA.
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Trevor,
Well said. Very powerful testimonies of those who were affected by ACL’s strategy in SA. Sad really because it seems there were/are very few true advocates for the unborn, true followers of Christ, except a courageous few including you.
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Thanks Gideon and hi to all, thanks for all your comments in rationally opposing the carnal human nature of man by the Spirit of Christ Jesus that is within you.
I wonder what the apostle Paul or John would have to say to Peter concerning Peter’s poor use of allegory and the mental assent in the list of 4 things held and propagated by Peter and the ACL. Peter’s baseless supposition, false and misleading thought in his reply to Gideon, thought without Christian foundation or Christian instruction.
I think Hermione council should be immediately adopted by the ACL, and they should drop the use of the term Christian, because they openly oppose Christ and His doctrine by their own doctrines.
What spirit leads this Lobby group? Is it another Jesus? Could the Lord Jesus Christ Himself say the same things that the leadership of the ACL say and recommend about the carnal mind and carnal works of abortion?
The ACL is lost in the fog of human carnality, indeed lost to suggest anything against Christ and His will, human carnality is antichrist in nature. Maybe, the ACL are just 5th columnist pretending to be Christians. Jesus said, you will know who My disciples are by the fruit of righteous, truth and the love of My Word.
The ACL need to repent and to fully disband, so that the memory of their shameful works and carnal influence will no longer blight the true Church.
They have no right to represent the Lord Jesus Christ as the Head of the Church, they are outside of Godly order, they are outside of the revealed will or Word of God.
They minister the premise of death, the abortion of unborn children, the abortion of a human body housing an eternal living soul with personal individuality or personality. I cannot see the Lord Jesus within their determined premise, neither supporting their carnal conclusions.
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Thanks Gideon and hi to all, just read the comment of Trevor Grace SA, thanks mate and brother in Christ Jesus obviously. Thanks for the truth and the righteousness and the Word of God, which demonstrates the image and likeness of God. love and blessing from WA
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Thank you Professor John Gideon for informing the people of the TRUTH. This nonsense from Peter with the terrorist analogy is such a flawed logic and absolutely ridiculous. How can anyone compare a (improbable) bunch of terrorist coming into a church with the reality of what’s allowed to happen both in WA and across the nation – killing God’s innocent babies! I’m so furious as a Christian to learn of such evilness, supporting abortion on any level and the killing of the unborn is outrageous and an abomination to God regardless what spin the ACL puts on it. I have seen many emails from the ACL and plenty flip-flopping and pretend talking, trying to convince the masses that they support pro life and are anti abortion, so many believe that this is not the case and if it was the case why don’t we see the following.
Why doesn’t the ACL (Peter) for WA put the following into their points in the letters he’s recommending we send the MP’s?
I don’t see these important points added:
1: ZERO days/weeks is acceptable to us Christians to kill babies period!
2: Why are those poor babies that’s born alive not defended properly, and the professionals or anyone dealing with the babies born alive demanded to render immediate medical attention to them, including putting them in neonatal or intensive care to keep them alive?
3: Why is the killing of babies acceptable to the ACL or anyone who claims to be Christian in particular including the so-called politicians who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ?
I can’t believe that we are supposed to have a Christian lobby who’s supposed to defend Christianity and the rights of Christians which includes the unborn and the babies born alive, yet they seem to be making deals with the devil himself and in agreement with the government evildoers killing our innocent babies. What will they agree to next?
The ACL should remember the words of God.
“Everything that’s hidden will be revealed and will come to light”. They should also remember John 8:32 “The truth shall set you free”
I don’t know what’s worse a Christian organisation pretending to be pro life or the government who’s pushing the killing of innocent babies, at least the evildoers in the government seem to be more transparent with carrying out the works of Satan!
Also, I was highly disappointed in Peter when Professor Gideon brought this to his attention in the company of many individuals a few weeks ago, and Peter’s response was not in line with the scriptures at all. Not only did he call John (Gideon) a fool 3 times he also told him that he wasn’t smart and that he doesn’t know anything about politic. Absolutely shocking coming from a man who’s supposed to be a Reverend. I believe that’s the same title as a priest or a pastor? One is not supposed to call another a fool when they claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures!
I was even more shocked at Peter saying that 20 weeks in WA and 28 weeks in SA for abortion “is better than the alternative”.
Good Lord, in my opinion and I do have a very strong opinion on this subject, it should be ZERO days – NO KILLING OF BABIES period.
It’s extremely disappointing to see those who are meant to uphold the biblical teachings are in agreement with the government or making deals with them so to speak.
What goes on in the dark will come to the light; truth is like water it will find a way!!
God bless you John; we have a duty as Christians to inform our fellow Christians of what’s happening here and not deceive others by supporting anything that is against God’s teachings.
God says “Do NOT kill”!
I’m so furious about all this and very offended by the lack of backbone and lack of courage our so called Christian leaders are showing. How about the ACL stands up for righteousness and fight the government tooth and nail for the lives of the unborn and for the lives of those poor babies that’s born alive and left to die in plastic bags and on tables still breathing.
This is NOT about women’s rights or pro choice like the woke evil leftist radical feminist are pushing, this is about protecting the rights of the unborn and the babies born alive, they too have their God given and human right to live and not be killed.
God made all of us for a reason and He intended for us to be His disciples in this world. We should NEVER allow earthly man to determine whether a baby should live or die, only God decides our fate not the government of the day or the evildoers who are working hard to destroy Gods creation.
EVERYONE should write ✍️ their own letters to every MP in parliament or better still, we should gather in large groups outside the door of parliament and make our Christian voices heard to those evil people that’s pushing the killing of innocent babies.
Those who support this evil work will be judged and those who turn the other cheek and stay quiet will have to answer to God soon.
How can the ACL justify themselves standing on the platforms for Pro Life when they are involved in supporting the opposite? I’d like them to please explain..
This state and country are going to hell if they keep doing what they are doing now, it’s a sad day when telling the truth is looked at as evil, and lies and evil work is looked at as good.
Evil work and bad things happens when good people stay quiet.
God bless those who truly believe in Jesus Christ and follow the biblical gospel and scriptures.
I will never apologise for my stance defending the lives of babies and would never agree with anything that’s not ZERO days.
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If anyone is genuinely interested in seeing what ACL stands for in the area of abortion, may I suggest that they go to the ACL website and look at https://www.acl.org.au/abortion/
A couple of years ago ACL letterboxed hundreds of thousands of fliers in each state which simply stated (along with a picture of a pregnant woman). Every abortion ends a human life. In God’s providence we live in a democracy, so we need to work at changing public opinion if we want our parliament to ban abortions (except in those very rare cases where it is done to save the mothers life).
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I actually said I commend that document from ACL at the beginning of my OP. It is the practice or strategy you have taken in every state that is the problem.
Now I have not deleted any of your comments here, how about reinstating my comment on your post on your blog https://www.acl.org.au/blog/wa-abortion-laws-to-change-for-the-worse/
Otherwise it is very dishonest for an alleged Christian ministries to delete a comment from a follower of Jesus Christ when you ask for comments there.
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I am not surprised that the ACL has gone in this direction. Since the sacking of their CEO Martyn Iles and then cosying up to Tim Costello CEO of Micah Australia, who promote the ‘Shot of Hope’. They are linked to the Burnett Institute. Cannot understand why a Christian organisation would have anything to do with the above. We have pulled our support from this less than Christian Lobby. We call it just the Australian Lobby now.
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For readers check out Shot of Hope (COVID death shots–white horse in Revelation 6)
A ‘Shot of Hope’ is the name of a report launched this week from the End COVID For All coalition, that encourages Australia’s role in vaccinating the world against COVID-19. But it is also an appropriate statement for the current status of the End COVID For All campaign which is achieving increasingly hopeful outcomes.
The report was co-authored by an Expert Advisory Group of researchers, analysts, and leaders including: Burnet Institute, Australian Global Health Alliance, Pacific Friends of Global Health, UNICEF Australia, Micah Australia and more.
It makes the case for an ambitious, expansive, and intelligent investment to vaccinate the world, highlighting the role of the Australian Government in that, and respectfully indicating the capacity we have as a nation to do so, together.
The End COVID For All (ECFA) nationwide campaign is in its second year of running now. Gratefully, the founding statement that the COVID-19 pandemic is ‘not over for anyone, until it is over for everyone’ has become a well-known statement among the Australian Parliament, Churches, and within the Australian Aid and Development sector.
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Martyn Iles was fully aware of the ACL strategy for several years as they ran their program. He was involved in SA with this strategy. Several people contacted him in regard their strategy in SA which is the same as in WA. Those people never got any reply.
Trevor Grace contacted ACL head office and a staff member on behalf of Martin Iles informed Trevor Grace that ACL fully supported Chris Brohier’s strategy in SA.
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Thanks Gideon, and hi to all. Are you genuine Peter?
What people are genuinely interested in is social and moral truth, and for the Christian community it is the truth and the administration of biblical principles called truth, truth to establish the society in a moral form of existence, Peter. Don’t slight or disparage us with the cane of innuendo Peter, we care for the right actions.
The 1901 Commonwealth Constitution of Australia in the first paragraph invites Almighty God to share in the venture and to be relied upon in the context of the present moment of oath, and continuing in the future to look to God, to rely on God for His assistance in providing an oversight over the governance to the Commonwealth of the People according to the said foundations of the 1901 Act. Literally to remain in the image of God which demonstrates the nature of goodness.
Almighty God was invited by the White People of the said colonies and of England, the Aboriginal People of course were not asked to participate in the establishment of the 1901 Act.
God’s providence is provided to many people in different forms of government, whether in a communist, tyrannical, or radicalized.
God cannot be slighted nor implied by the reference you made to democracy, because God is no longer invited nor relied upon by our present so-called democracy.
There is a difference between what is written in the ACL files and PDF’s online and what is actually done in deeds by the ACL. And the fact that deeds speak louder than words says it all, any kind of words spoken need to be ratified by deeds to establish the words as true.
Every abortion ends human life that is the statement of ACL faith. ACL claims to have faith but no works of faith.
Then why is one abortion allowed to occur, why would ACL have any other mind or except any other course of action except for your political reasonings.
And in that very rare occasion the mother should be the only voice, whether she lay down her own life, for the right of her child to live. Greater love has no woman than this, to lay down her life for another.
Jesus Christ paid the price for every human life, unborn and born, life that has come into the world to exist past, present and future, they are His possession alone.
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Proverbs 14: 11 The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death
Peter made reference to the WA abortion legislation of 1998. At that time we had a Liberal government.
I think many Christians confuse ‘Christian’ and ‘Conservative’. They are not the same. Christians have ‘conservative ‘ values, but just because a state or nation may have a ‘conservative’ government, it does not translate into godly policy. Party politics has destroyed democracy. Politics is a dirty game. An elected representative should represent their electorate. This really does not happen. If an MP wants to climb the greasy pole, they must toe the party line- and support whatever the party demands. Governments really do not act in the best interests of the people who put them in government. They do deals with corporations and other governments- not in the interests of their citizens.
Abortion is murder! Doing deals with politicians to ‘minimise’ harm is not what is needed. Will having more Christians in parliament help? Only if those Christians stand up for what is right- regardless of the cost. Prayer is what is urgently needed in our day. The Lord can do exceedingly, abundantly, even more than we can ever ask or think.
We have seen what the Liberal party has done to Christian members of parliament at the state and federal level. It appears that the Liberal Party has gone woke.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Peter Abetz –
You obviously did not read my earlier comment. I pointed out SA ACL rep Christopher Brohier clearly does not know what he is talking about. If he is telling you that a few amendments is somehow a win, an achievement for the babies, he is either seriously deluded or cannot tell the truth.
ACL’s strategy has made things worse.
Thanks to ACL (I say this with sarcasm), many within the church community, as well as many non-Christians, now see abortion as more acceptable than previously. Why? When you repeat a slogan over and over again, such as “current abortion laws (up to 28 weeks) should be retained”, or “abortion is essential”, or “abortion is healthcare”, what do people start to think?
On this note: Please read my earlier comment regarding MP Geoff Brock stating in parliament that the church community is okay with the current abortion laws. And that pro-abortion journalist Tory Shepherd thought ACL “messaging” was pro-abortion. And that a Christian midwife, who was previously pro-life, started giving out abortion pills.
Peter, all your posturing and all your denying cannot erase these facts. And more. But more importantly, than all of these, is the fact that you are not willing to stand on God’s Word and trust Him. You pretend to know better than even God.
Can you show us what passages or verses in Scripture shape your strategies in defense of the unborn babies, after all, we have highlighted a number passages and verses we are applying that warn us that your strategies are contrary to God’s Word?
Again, ACL’s strategy has weakened our community’s stance on abortion, not made it stronger. And again, you can’t accept this because you don’t want to accept this.
To paraphrase academic John Fleming (as one person commented already) “more babies will now be murdered as a result of ACL’s poor tactic”.
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Peter, you infer, in another comment, as a politician you were concerned about abortion (and I have since read that you were indeed a WA state Liberal MP for nearly a decade, from 2008-2017). As you have been disturbed with all the abortions of unborn babies in your state:
1. Could you please tell us what bill you presented during all that time, specifically, to protect the unborn babies being aborted?
2. Or tell us what bill you presented during all that time, specifically, to help pregnant women and girls so as not to abort their babies?
3. Or, perhaps, tell us, how you have personally, specifically helped pregnant women and girls so as not to abort their babies?
I ask this not to be smart, or to catch you out, I simply want to know how you have previously demonstrated your concern for the unborn babies being aborted. Especially as you are presenting yourself in your comments as a strong champion for these children, one who knows what strategies are in their best interest.
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Laws influence culture. This presenter makes the point that since Roe v Wade was overturned, abortions have reduced in the USA.
Australians should demand the banning of abortion. This is what ACL should be advocating. Perhaps they don’t want to upset the politicians.
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The ACL are neither Christian nor any good at lobbying. They don’t argue against the existing culture as wicked as it is. They are afraid of getting cancelled.
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