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Fetal cells used in vaccine production

As you may already know aborted human fetal cells are used to culture active agents in preparation of many vaccines. Here is a table of various vaccines which used fetal cells and with them a list shown of some ethical alternatives that did not use aborted baby products.

Let’s put aside the whole issue of whether you are pro-vax or anti-vax. I want to ask the following question and I would like your feedback in the Comments section please. Let me know which way you would lean on this.

Is it morally equivalent to say that accepting a vaccine based on an aborted fetal cell line is the same as accepting a transplant organ from a murdered person?

I think most believers would argue that the organ legally given by the relatives of a murdered person presents no moral dilemma. But, can you say “There is no strong moral dilemma in using a vaccine, which used fetal cells in its production”?

Are we just normalising this issue where we have come to the point of accepting abortion as a normal way of life, and that there is no breaking of God’s moral law? Many things in our current society are headed down the slippery slope of moral decline. You might argue that they did not kill the babies to use their cells this way. But are you sure, in every case? Who knows the limits of some murderous regimes where abortion is a way of life (and death). Where will it lead to? Now states are enacting laws to murder babies in the womb up to full term. Some even advocate for the right to kill the baby up to 2 years old. Their consciences are ‘seared like a hot iron’ passed feeling.

Please let me know what you think on this? Post a comment.

By John Gideon Hartnett

Dr John G. Hartnett is an Australian physicist and cosmologist, and a Christian with a biblical creationist worldview. He received a B.Sc. (Hons) and Ph.D. (with distinction) in Physics from The University of Western Australia, W.A., Australia. He was an Australian Research Council (ARC) Discovery Outstanding Researcher Award (DORA) fellow at the University of Adelaide, with rank of Associate Professor. Now he is retired. He has published more than 200 papers in scientific journals, book chapters and conference proceedings.

9 replies on “Fetal cells used in vaccine production”

All I hope is that these vaccines use adult stem cells as their base as that’s more ethical and medically sound than fetal cells, especially since they are using (despicably) vaccination as a means to justify the murder of children inside the womb.

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Dear John Hartnett,

Something to put this issue into perspective:
The ethical debate about the use of embryos for vaccines is already going on for decades.
Some people, like the Dutch prof. Henk Jochemsen, argue that the cell lines are far away from the original embryonic cells. Cell line WI-38 stems from an abortion in 1962, MRC-5 from 1966.

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The use of any aborted tissue should be moot for a Christian. There is no way to justify my medical mediation or even cure through the death of any child, regardless of age. This is our modern sterile equivalent to Moloch sacrifices, and I would certainly choose to die rather than take medicines or cures derived from murdered children (or adults for that matter). This is the exact opposite of laying down OUR lives for one another for Jesus’ sake–the fetus has been given no vote in the matter. They are not volunteering out of Christian love. This is one important way we can be an advocate for the unborn.

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I understand all the rationale for doing vaccinations. So I won’t argue the point… But Couldn’t The Build A Better Mousetrap. Make it without using cells from abortions.
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I’m no expert but I remember someone saying that stem cells taken from living adults would work on this and for other testing purposes. I’m guessing it’s more financially viable to kill/abort babies and use their stem cells.
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Another solution is the It! Find The IT Or Forget It!

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Hello Gideon , I have arrived to make comment on your blog re Fetal cells and vaccines .
Having read the blog and perused the graphic listing the products and manufacturers and possible alternatives , I humbly submit my observation and opinion and reasons for my choice . Fetal cells from aborted infants . A minefield of emotions and grey areas of legal and lawful , as well as moral concerns . Considering the process of the movement of said fetal material from a maternity ward in a hospital to a research facility requires logistics . And that means commerce . Once finance becomes involved there is room for both corruption and fraud . Laying aside all that the question must surely come done to one of INTEGRITY and Morality .if any action taken can be considered Moral it is right in the eyes of God and is always right. God changes NOT . First , Do No Harm ! .. and secondly , even if a majority agree and consent to a morally wrong decision or action , I would have to stand with the minority , even if I stood alone . Can a compromise solution validate an immoral action ? I do not think it can . So my final summary is that use of fetal tissue from any source in the production of any form of vaccine to be administered to any person is both unconscionable and immoral and therefore wrong . A test of INTEGRITY is would one do the same thing if no-one ever found out.

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From the list provided, there are ethical alternatives to the use of human embryos for the vaccine industry.
Whether there are ethical alternatives or not, human embryos, fetuses or parts thereof, whether aborted, stillborn, miscarried or any other condition, should not be used for vaccines or for any other purpose whatsoever. It is understood that cause of death of a stillborn or miscarried child may need to be determined but upon the conclusion of that process the complete body should be returned to the parent for burial or cremation. To ensure the required standard is attained, production of vaccines and all other medicines should be undertaken in Australia where this can be strictly regulated.

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Using unborn babies after they have been murdered – for what ever the reason, must surely be an abomination to God. The are a number of reasons, but here is one reason: In Luke 1:41 it states: “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby jumped in her womb …” The word for baby here in Greek, which the New Testament was originally written, is brephos. And this same Greek word brephos is used, for example, in Luke 2:12, when the angel told the shepherds “… you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger …” And ‘brephos’ is used in other places in the NT for the words ‘babies or infants. The point is, God’s Word clearly tells us that He sees no distinction between ‘a baby in the womb’ and a ‘baby’ or an ‘infant”. And if this is the case, to use a murdered unborn baby or a baby or an infant for experimentation (or anything else) would be morally wrong; even if the child’s mother consented. As Ephesians 5:11 says: “Take no part in the unfruitful work of darkness, but instead expose them.”

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“GOD is not mocked! Whatsoever a man sows that he shall reap.” This is another case of the “kings of the earth and the rulers taking counsel together against the LORD and against HIS ANOINTED to tear their fetters apart and cast their cords away from them.”(Ps. 2)
As a nation, we are accepting morally corrupt science as truth. The ends do not justify the means. Two wrongs do not make a right! Thank you for bringing to light what goes into many vaccines. Years ago a woman asked me to buy some cosmetics made in Germany that she was selling. She gave me a booklet to read which described how they were made highlighting the use of embryonic tissue. I asked her if she knew that meant tissue from aborted babies? I refused to consider further buying such a product. I refuse to receive vaccines for flu, pneumonia, shingles or anything else. I boycott buying from companies that support Planned Parenthood and remind others of companies that do. Thank you again for your work.

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Without the moral compass of the Bible, instilled and enacted by faith in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit, a person simply is too ego-centric to see that anything related to an aborted baby is wrong. It is wrong. Abortion is wrong. Use of it’s tissue for anything but an autopsy is wrong. We will only gain true ground on this issue when more folks come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Then they will know these actions are wrong. Until then, the debate is morally relative, shifting daily to the more bizarre and evil. Thankfully in the end, the Lord and His own will prevail. And these little lives will be redeemed! :J

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